[NTLUG:Discuss] RE: Discuss digest, Vol 1 #251 - 18 msgs
Nelson Reid
nreid at opus.csac.com
Thu Feb 24 13:47:01 CST 2000
Dan,
WOW, sounds like a lot of us have questions about ADSL. Any help on this
topic well definitely be welcomed. Look forward to reading the responses so
that I can set my system up.
nreid
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> 1. email client and VIM (Kendall Clark)
> 2. Re: email client and VIM (Cameron)
> 3. Re: email client and VIM (Christopher Browne)
> 4. Re: email client and VIM (Steve Baker)
> 5. Re: Cable modem problems (Jeff Bohning)
> 6. Re: email client and VIM (Jonathan Miller)
> 7. Re: NT Linux friendly ISP (Ian Alexander)
> 8. Re: email client and VIM (MadHat)
> 9. Re: email client and VIM (Kelly Scroggins)
> 10. Re: email client and VIM (Seth Daniel)
> 11. RE: [Fwd: [NTLUG:Discuss] Project management software]
> (travis.farral at nokia.com)
> 12. Re: NT Linux friendly ISP (kyle_davenport at compusa.com)
> 13. Re: Re: Cable modem problems (Bobby Wrenn)
> 14. Re: email client and VIM (MadHat)
> 15. Re: Re: Cable modem problems (David Stokes)
> 16. Re: NT Linux friendly ISP (asenec at senechalle.net)
> 17. ADSL Configuration Questions (Dan Carlson)
> 18. Re: Project management software (Kevin Brannen)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: Kendall Clark <kclark at ntlug.org>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:26:43 -0600 (CST)
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> <38B4BB91.C45F0839 at cliffhanger.com>
> Reply-To: kclark at ntlug.org
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> >>>>> "Kelly" == Kelly Scroggins <kelly at cliffhanger.com> writes:
>
> Kelly> Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> Kelly> know elm uses vi but I want something that uses POP, and it
> Kelly> would be nice if there was a Windows port as well.
>
> You likely want mutt. Try http://www.mutt.org/. I don't think there's
> a Windows port. Mutt won't itself do anything, iirc, with
> POP, but you
> can use fetchmail to handle the mail transport. Mutt lets you set an
> external editor that's called in message composition. I used
> to use it
> with Emacs, then XEmacs, then just gave up and started using VM.
>
> Best,
>
> <Kendall/>
> --
> "Charging a price for my time will separate the expensive
> conferences that
> attract powerful people from the marginal events where the hacker
> community would get less leverage from my presence." -- Eric Raymond
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:37:26 -0600
> From: Cameron <hrothgar at endor.hsutx.edu>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> * kelly at cliffhanger.com [2000.02.23 23:23]:
> : Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> know elm uses
> : vi but I want something that uses POP, and it would be nice
> if there was
> : a Windows port as well.
> :
> : Thanks,
> : kelly
> :
>
> i use mutt with vim as my composer. i believe mutt has POP support as
> well. doubtful of the windows port, but you have check. [see my sig
> for mutt's homepage]
> --
> cameron
> [ Grow up and use mutt (http://www.mutt.org) ]
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Reply-To: cbbrowne at hex.net
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> <38B4BB91.C45F0839 at cliffhanger.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:41:15 -0600
> From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne at hex.net>
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:03:13 CST, the world broke into rejoicing as
> Kelly Scroggins <kelly at cliffhanger.com> said:
> > Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> know elm uses
> > vi but I want something that uses POP, and it would be nice
> if there was
> > a Windows port as well.
>
> For the most part, this is a non-issue.
>
> Most email clients allow you to configure which editor you
> wish to use.
>
> Indeed, I'd think it preferable to use an email client that is highly
> modularized, using:
> - Something like fetchmail to get mail from a POP or IMAP server
> - Something like procmail to direct mail to folders
> - Whatever pager you prefer to use to display messages, whether
> more, less, most, pg, or GNU Emacs
> - Whatever editor you prefer to use to edit messages, whether that
> be vi, vim, GNU Emacs, XEmacs, whatever the EDITOR or VISUAL
> environment variables are set to, or cooledit, or ...
> - Whatever mail transfer agent you have installed, whether that be
> Sendmail, smail, Exim, qmail, Postfix, ...
>
> Elm can work like this; so can Mutt. I am rather committed to MH, so
> I don't explore this much...
> --
> "I'm sure that nobody here would dream of misusing the Arpanet.
> It's as unthinkable as fornication, or smoking pot." -- RMS
> cbbrowne at ntlug.org - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/mail.html>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:45:58 -0600
> From: Steve Baker <sjbaker1 at airmail.net>
> Reply-To: sjbaker1 at airmail.net
> Organization: Steve at Home
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Kelly Scroggins wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> know elm uses
> > vi but I want something that uses POP, and it would be nice
> if there was
> > a Windows port as well.
>
> I think pine can do all those things...there is certainly a PC-pine
> for windoze - and you can choose your editor (and I use VI with it
> without problems). I've only ever used it with IMAP - but I'm fairly
> sure it does POP also.
>
> --
> Steve Baker http://web2.airmail.net/sjbaker1
> sjbaker1 at airmail.net (home) http://www.woodsoup.org/~sbaker
> sjbaker at hti.com (work)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Jeff Bohning" <casey3771 at home.com>
> To: "David Stokes" <david_stokes at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <discuss at ntlug.org>
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:21:35 -0600
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Re: Cable modem problems
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> All makes perfect sense but I'm not sure how to get the SMC
> POS card they
> gave me from @Home to be recognized... last install was RH
> 5.2 though so i'm
> going to see if I can find a distro of RH 6.1 at least...
> Know anyone having
> luck/trouble with SMC NIC's?
>
> Jeff Bohning
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Stokes" <david_stokes at yahoo.com>
> To: <casey3771 at home.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:48 AM
> Subject: Cable modem problems
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I saw your plea that was on the NTLUG discuss list.
> >
> > I have a cable modem with Linux boxes attached. Here is the
> 10,000 foot
> > view. The first trick is to make sure you ethernet card is
> working --
> > Many have to be initialized before they will work. Then
> see if you can
> > can ping your gateway box; If your machine can send packets
> to the next
> > nearest upstream box you are in good shape. Then see if
> you can ping
> > the nameservers and try something like www.ibm.com or another big
> > site.
> >
> > 1. Ping your IP 'ping 24.24.24.99' -> use the numbers
> @home supplies
> > for your setup.
> > if that doesn't work, it may be the card or the setup.
> > 2. Ping your gateway 'ping 24.24.24.23'
> > If that doesn't work, call tech support and have them try to hit it
> > from the other side. my cable modem worked for a week and then the
> > gateway went bad -> service had to fix that.
> > 3. Ping the nameservers 'ping 24.22.1.22'. If this doesn't work the
> > gateway doe not hook into the bigger @home network.
> > 4. Ping a popular site like yahoo. if this doesn;t work,
> @home has the
> > problem.
> >
> >
> > If this is clear as mud, e-mail me back.
> >
> > Dave Stokes
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > -David Stokes-
> > david_stokes at yahoo.com
> >
> > What IF the Hokey-Pokey is what it is all about?
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> > http://im.yahoo.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:29:34 -0600 (CST)
> From: Jonathan Miller <betaray at kludge.org>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Any console based email client usually has the option to use
> vi. mutt is
> set up to use it normally, and it is a favorite of many. Pine
> can also be
> configured to use an external editor, and is a personal favorite.
>
> I personally am a huge elvis fan but find it annoying to use for real
> document writing. Picos ^J justification (which even works on
> quoted text
> in email that you are responding to) is so beautiful I use it just for
> that.
>
> -- Jonathan
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Kelly Scroggins wrote:
>
> > Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> know elm uses
> > vi but I want something that uses POP, and it would be nice
> if there was
> > a Windows port as well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > kelly
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 02:14:07 -0600 (CST)
> From: Ian Alexander <ija at eaze.net>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
>
> "What this list needs is a good five-dollar plasma weapon."
> --paraphrased from `/usr/bin/fortune`
>
> Hey, think of the flame wars we could have with one of these babys.
> Muahahahahaha! :)
>
> ----
> ----
> Ian J. Alexander email: ija at eaze.net
> Office: 817-557-3038
> Senior Software Engineer http://ija.eaze.net
> Fax: 817-557-3468
> EazeNet - Putting the 'S' in 'ISP'
> --== There is no spoon. ==--
> ----
> ----
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:45:43 -0600
> From: MadHat <madhat at unspecific.com>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> <38B4BB91.C45F0839 at cliffhanger.com>
> <14516.49427.196898.392626 at cmpu.net>
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Kendall Clark wrote:
> >
> > >>>>> "Kelly" == Kelly Scroggins <kelly at cliffhanger.com> writes:
> >
> > Kelly> Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> > Kelly> know elm uses vi but I want something that uses
> POP, and it
> > Kelly> would be nice if there was a Windows port as well.
> >
> > You likely want mutt. Try http://www.mutt.org/. I don't
> think there's
> > a Windows port. Mutt won't itself do anything, iirc, with
> POP, but you
> > can use fetchmail to handle the mail transport. Mutt lets you set an
> > external editor that's called in message composition. I
> used to use it
> > with Emacs, then XEmacs, then just gave up and started using VM.
>
> Actually mutt does do pop mail along with imap. If you want to do
> filtering into seperate mail boxes, then fetchmail and procmail are
> recomended.
>
> --
> %_=split';','f; Perl ;h;st a;o;ker;@;not;.;hac;u;her;d;ju';
> print map $_{$_}, split //,
> 'madhat at unspecific.com'
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:55:10 -0600
> From: Kelly Scroggins <kelly at cliffhanger.com>
> Reply-To: kelly at cliffhanger.com
> Organization: http://www.linuxtoday.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Thanks for the input. Mutt seems to be the favored application. I
> recently learned of a client called Vine. Any comments on this one?
>
> kelly
>
>
>
> Steve Baker wrote:
> >
> > Kelly Scroggins wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> know elm uses
> > > vi but I want something that uses POP, and it would be
> nice if there was
> > > a Windows port as well.
> >
> > I think pine can do all those things...there is certainly a PC-pine
> > for windoze - and you can choose your editor (and I use VI with it
> > without problems). I've only ever used it with IMAP - but
> I'm fairly
> > sure it does POP also.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Baker http://web2.airmail.net/sjbaker1
> > sjbaker1 at airmail.net (home) http://www.woodsoup.org/~sbaker
> > sjbaker at hti.com (work)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: Seth Daniel <seth at ti.com>
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:11:55 -0600
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> Reply-To: seth at ti.com
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Mutt can be compiled to support POP3. It mentions this
> in the mutt manual in section 4.10. I think most people
> use fetchmail though (including myself). Mutt also can
> support IMAP.
>
> There is a lot of discussion on the mutt newsgroup (comp.mail.mutt)
> wrt a windows port. If I remember correctly you can get mutt to
> work if you use the cygwin tools.
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:26:43PM -0600, Kendall Clark wrote:
> > >>>>> "Kelly" == Kelly Scroggins <kelly at cliffhanger.com> writes:
> >
> > Kelly> Can anyone suggest an email client that uses VIM (vi)? I
> > Kelly> know elm uses vi but I want something that uses
> POP, and it
> > Kelly> would be nice if there was a Windows port as well.
> >
> > You likely want mutt. Try http://www.mutt.org/. I don't
> think there's
> > a Windows port. Mutt won't itself do anything, iirc, with
> POP, but you
> > can use fetchmail to handle the mail transport. Mutt lets you set an
> > external editor that's called in message composition. I
> used to use it
> > with Emacs, then XEmacs, then just gave up and started using VM.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > <Kendall/>
> > --
> > "Charging a price for my time will separate the expensive
> conferences that
> > attract powerful people from the marginal events where the hacker
> > community would get less leverage from my presence." -- Eric Raymond
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: travis.farral at nokia.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: [NTLUG:Discuss] Project management software]
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:28:38 -0600
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Yeah I sure did, I'm going to check it out today. Have you
> looked at it
> yet?
>
> -Travis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EXT Alex D. Coker [mailto:adcoker at leap4linux.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:11 PM
> To: travis.farral at nokia.com
> Subject: [Fwd: [NTLUG:Discuss] Project management software]
>
>
> Travis,
>
> I assume you say this reply.
>
> Alex
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: Kyle_Davenport at compusa.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:46:26 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
>
>
> You don't say if the connection problem is between modems or
> software. There
> was a time when M$ ignored RFC standards for ppp and linux
> was not "compatible",
> but we have accommodated. I have had no problem connecting
> to NT machines
> since. That said, I wouldn't trust an NT-using isp anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
> asenec at senechalle.net on 02/23/2000 07:14:53 PM
>
> Please respond to discuss at ntlug.org
>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> cc: (bcc: Kyle Davenport/Is/Corporate/CompUSA)
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
>
>
>
> Are you trying to connect a Linux box to an
> ISP running nt? I've yet to connect any Unix
> box to an nt-based ISP, with or without PAP/CHAP
> configuration. My solution has been to make sure
> the ISP is running Unix before signing on.
>
> Annette
>
> > From discuss-admin at ntlug.org Wed Feb 23 13:54 CST 2000
> > From: yzfr1 at talk21.com
> > To: discuss at ntlug.org
> > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:24:55 GMT
> > Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
> > X-Mailman-Version: 1.0
> > List-Id: NTLUG Discussion List <discuss.ntlug.org>
> > X-BeenThere: discuss at ntlug.org
> >
> >
> > I'm having trouble connecting with my USR 33.6
> > modem and the scripts provided by my ISP.
> > Any experience with a helpful local ISP,
> > that has *real* tech support.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sameer
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 04:47:36 -0600
> From: Bobby Wrenn <bobby at wrennest.com>
> Organization: The Wrenn Nest
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Re: Cable modem problems
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Have you tried setting up the NIC manually? Do you know the IRQ and IO
> for the NIC?
>
> If all else fails you can use a NIC you know. You don't have
> to use the
> one they give you.
>
> Bobby
>
> Jeff Bohning wrote:
> >
> > All makes perfect sense but I'm not sure how to get the SMC
> POS card they
> > gave me from @Home to be recognized... last install was RH
> 5.2 though so i'm
> > going to see if I can find a distro of RH 6.1 at least...
> Know anyone having
> > luck/trouble with SMC NIC's?
> >
> > Jeff Bohning
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Stokes" <david_stokes at yahoo.com>
> > To: <casey3771 at home.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:48 AM
> > Subject: Cable modem problems
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I saw your plea that was on the NTLUG discuss list.
> > >
> > > I have a cable modem with Linux boxes attached. Here is
> the 10,000 foot
> > > view. The first trick is to make sure you ethernet card
> is working --
> > > Many have to be initialized before they will work. Then
> see if you can
> > > can ping your gateway box; If your machine can send
> packets to the next
> > > nearest upstream box you are in good shape. Then see if
> you can ping
> > > the nameservers and try something like www.ibm.com or another big
> > > site.
> > >
> > > 1. Ping your IP 'ping 24.24.24.99' -> use the numbers
> @home supplies
> > > for your setup.
> > > if that doesn't work, it may be the card or the setup.
> > > 2. Ping your gateway 'ping 24.24.24.23'
> > > If that doesn't work, call tech support and have them try
> to hit it
> > > from the other side. my cable modem worked for a week
> and then the
> > > gateway went bad -> service had to fix that.
> > > 3. Ping the nameservers 'ping 24.22.1.22'. If this
> doesn't work the
> > > gateway doe not hook into the bigger @home network.
> > > 4. Ping a popular site like yahoo. if this doesn;t work,
> @home has the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > If this is clear as mud, e-mail me back.
> > >
> > > Dave Stokes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > -David Stokes-
> > > david_stokes at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > What IF the Hokey-Pokey is what it is all about?
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> > > http://im.yahoo.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:00:10 -0600
> From: MadHat <madhat at unspecific.com>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] email client and VIM
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Kelly Scroggins wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the input. Mutt seems to be the favored application. I
> > recently learned of a client called Vine. Any comments on this one?
> >
> > kelly
>
> Do you have a URL? The only mention of Vine I can find right
> off was a
> .jp distro for linux. Nothing on FreshMeat and basic searches turn up
> nothing but the distro. I didn't search that hard, if it is that hard
> to find.... uh.... I wasn't that curious.
>
> --
> %_=split';','f; Perl ;h;st a;o;ker;@;not;.;hac;u;her;d;ju';
> print map $_{$_}, split //,
> 'madhat at unspecific.com'
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:17:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Stokes <david_stokes at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Re: Cable modem problems
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Jeff,
>
> To be honest I took the SMC card they gave me and put it up on the
> shelf and used an old 3c509B card. I've been told the SMC works but
> you have to boot the system with dos and then use the config utility
> that came with the NIC. It the one guilty secret area about Linux
> networking that I hate -- most NIC use DOS utilities to config the
> card.
>
> Good luck
>
> dave stokes
>
> --- Jeff Bohning <casey3771 at home.com> wrote:
> > All makes perfect sense but I'm not sure how to get the SMC POS card
> > they
> > gave me from @Home to be recognized... last install was RH
> 5.2 though
> > so i'm
> > going to see if I can find a distro of RH 6.1 at least...
> Know anyone
> > having
> > luck/trouble with SMC NIC's?
> >
> > Jeff Bohning
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Stokes" <david_stokes at yahoo.com>
> > To: <casey3771 at home.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:48 AM
> > Subject: Cable modem problems
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I saw your plea that was on the NTLUG discuss list.
> > >
> > > I have a cable modem with Linux boxes attached. Here is the 10,000
> > foot
> > > view. The first trick is to make sure you ethernet card
> is working
> > --
> > > Many have to be initialized before they will work. Then
> see if you
> > can
> > > can ping your gateway box; If your machine can send packets to the
> > next
> > > nearest upstream box you are in good shape. Then see if you can
> > ping
> > > the nameservers and try something like www.ibm.com or another big
> > > site.
> > >
> > > 1. Ping your IP 'ping 24.24.24.99' -> use the numbers @home
> > supplies
> > > for your setup.
> > > if that doesn't work, it may be the card or the setup.
> > > 2. Ping your gateway 'ping 24.24.24.23'
> > > If that doesn't work, call tech support and have them try
> to hit it
> > > from the other side. my cable modem worked for a week
> and then the
> > > gateway went bad -> service had to fix that.
> > > 3. Ping the nameservers 'ping 24.22.1.22'. If this doesn't work
> > the
> > > gateway doe not hook into the bigger @home network.
> > > 4. Ping a popular site like yahoo. if this doesn;t work,
> @home has
> > the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > If this is clear as mud, e-mail me back.
> > >
> > > Dave Stokes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > -David Stokes-
> > > david_stokes at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > What IF the Hokey-Pokey is what it is all about?
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> > > http://im.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
>
> =====
> -David Stokes-
> david_stokes at yahoo.com
>
> What IF the Hokey-Pokey is what it is all about?
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com
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>
> Message: 16
> From: asenec at senechalle.net
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:32:52 -0600 (CST)
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Software--as I recall the chats would get as far
> as asking for my passwd which I would hand off
> and that was as far as I would get--no response from
> the nt to my password, and as I said, I configured
> both for and without PAP/CHAP trying to get authenticated.
> I had one nt-running ISP tell me (after I had been trying
> to connect for a month), 'The nt has been instructed not
> to talk to any machine with a static ip'. That was nice
> to find out since, at the time, I was running Solaris 2.4
> which had no support for dynamic address assignment.
>
> Like you, I have little faith in an ISP running off of nt's,
> but have used them on occasion for my daughter's win95 machine
> if they offered a local dialup--they're good enough for
> a 13-year-old who doesn't know any better.
>
> Annette
>
> > From discuss-admin at ntlug.org Thu Feb 24 10:16 CST 2000
> > From: Kyle_Davenport at compusa.com
> > X-Lotus-FromDomain: COMPUSA
> > To: discuss at ntlug.org
> > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:46:26 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Disposition: inline
> > X-Mailman-Version: 1.0
> > List-Id: NTLUG Discussion List <discuss.ntlug.org>
> > X-BeenThere: discuss at ntlug.org
> >
> >
> >
> > You don't say if the connection problem is between modems
> or software. There
> > was a time when M$ ignored RFC standards for ppp and linux
> was not "compatible",
> > but we have accommodated. I have had no problem
> connecting to NT machines
> > since. That said, I wouldn't trust an NT-using isp anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > asenec at senechalle.net on 02/23/2000 07:14:53 PM
> >
> > Please respond to discuss at ntlug.org
> >
> > To: discuss at ntlug.org
> > cc: (bcc: Kyle Davenport/Is/Corporate/CompUSA)
> > Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
> >
> >
> >
> > Are you trying to connect a Linux box to an
> > ISP running nt? I've yet to connect any Unix
> > box to an nt-based ISP, with or without PAP/CHAP
> > configuration. My solution has been to make sure
> > the ISP is running Unix before signing on.
> >
> > Annette
> >
> > > From discuss-admin at ntlug.org Wed Feb 23 13:54 CST 2000
> > > From: yzfr1 at talk21.com
> > > To: discuss at ntlug.org
> > > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:24:55 GMT
> > > Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] NT Linux friendly ISP
> > > X-Mailman-Version: 1.0
> > > List-Id: NTLUG Discussion List <discuss.ntlug.org>
> > > X-BeenThere: discuss at ntlug.org
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm having trouble connecting with my USR 33.6
> > > modem and the scripts provided by my ISP.
> > > Any experience with a helpful local ISP,
> > > that has *real* tech support.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Sameer
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >
>
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>
> Message: 17
> From: "Dan Carlson" <dmcarlson at prodigy.net>
> To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:36:00 -0600
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] ADSL Configuration Questions
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> I am in the process of getting an ADSL line from GTE with
> DirectLink as the
> ISP. I have received the hardware package from GTE and the
> configuration
> info email from DirectLink. GTE is not scheduled to turn
> service on until
> 3/9.
>
> I am trying to understand as much of the configuration
> process as I can in
> advance so that I can get up and running as quickly as
> possible once GTE
> turns service on.
>
> I run Linux on the internet server / gateway for my home
> network. While I
> am not an expert, I am reasonably experienced at configuring
> Linux networks,
> interfaces, routing, etc. If I were an expert, I wouldn't
> have to ask these
> questions! :)
>
> My main question is: How do I configure Linux to use the
> Fujitsu/Orckit ADSL
> modem as its internet gateway? This modem is an external box
> that plugs
> into the phone line and into a 10baseT ethernet connection.
>
> This is probably easy and no big deal, but at this point I
> don't understand
> all the details and options involved. I am guessing that
> several members of
> this list have already been through the process and can offer
> some insight.
>
> I currently have two ethernet adapters in my server
> supporting 100baseT and
> 10baseT subnets. I route between them and I use an automated
> PPP dialup
> script and IP masquerading to provide internet access to the
> clients on the
> two subnets. This all works great.
>
> Can I put the ADSL modem on the existing 10baseT subnet, or
> do I need to add
> another 10baseT interface and dedicate it to the modem? I think I
> understand how to do the latter, but I don't understand how to do the
> former. Does the interface the modem is connected to need to
> be dedicated
> to the gateway function, or can it also be on a local subnet?
>
> DirectLink has provided me with my gateway address and my
> static IP address.
> To connect the modem to a dedicated interface I think I just
> need to assign
> the interface the static IP address and set it up to route to
> DirectLink's
> gateway address, correct? But how would connecting the modem to an
> interface that is also on a local subnet work? I understand
> how to assign
> an interface multiple addresses, but how would the routing be set up?
>
> Separate question: Is there any protocol running above IP
> over the ADSL
> link, such as PPP?
>
> Any insight that can be offered into these questions will be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Carlson
> dmcarlson at prodigy.net
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:49:22 -0600
> From: Kevin Brannen <kbrannen at gte.net>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Project management software
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Hmm, interesting, but not really usable. :-(
>
> This is an app that has really been bugging me for not being
> available.
> Maybe it's time to do something about that.
>
> [So taking a big breath...] Does anyone want to work on a Project
> Planner with me? I don't know where it will end up, or how many
> features it will have, but something easily usable and does
> what most of
> us need (meaning the top 20 functions) would be the initial goal.
>
> If anyone is interested, please email me.
>
> Kevin Brannen
>
>
> Alex Coker wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the lead, I'll give it a try.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > David Stokes <david_stokes at yahoo.com> on 02/23/2000 03:23:33 PM
> >
> > Please respond to discuss at ntlug.org
> >
> > To: discuss at ntlug.org
> > cc: (bcc: Alex Coker/Dallas/IPAPER)
> > Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Project management software
> >
> > I was thinking a simple gantt chart generator would be a
> nice project
> > but decided to see if anyone else had do it and found QtGantt at
> > http://studenter.hig.no/prosjekter/kbackpage/qtgantt/
> >
> > It's Qt based and the developer is NOT going to continue support.
> > Hmmm, may be a nice project with GTK afterall.
> >
> > Dave Stokes
> >
> > =====
> > -David Stokes-
> > david_stokes at yahoo.com
>
>
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