[NTLUG:Discuss] RE: Discuss digest, Vol 1 #261 - 15 msgs
Nelson Reid
nreid at opus.csac.com
Wed Mar 1 13:08:28 CST 2000
Douglas,
Your comments are right on the money. I have tried nearly everything out
there and Mandrake 7.0 looks and feels great. Very smooth install with up
to date packages. I was must impressed with Mandrake including
Enlightenment .16.3. Personally I find it to be the best WM out there.(could
just be me?) I am still working on connecting to DSL, but for the most part
I must say that it is currently my distro of choice.
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> 1. Linux User Group HOWTO (sunflower1043 at juno.com)
> 2. Mandrake 7 -- review (sunflower1043 at juno.com)
> 3. Re: Mandrake 7 -- review / Bootable root raid partitions
> (Dan Carlson)
> 4. Astronomy & Linux (Brian)
> 5. Corel Linux RoadShow - FYI (sunflower1043 at juno.com)
> 6. Re: Astronomy & Linux (kyle_davenport at compusa.com)
> 7. March Meeting Announcement (Stuart Yarus)
> 8. Re: Mandrake 7 -- review / Bootable root raid partitions
> (sunflower1043 at juno.com)
> 9. opinions on where to run DNS server..... firewall vs
> main server. (clyde swann)
> 10. Re: mail server question (Gregory A. Edwards)
> 11. Re: opinions on where to run DNS server..... firewall
> vs main server. (Jonathan Miller)
> 12. Re: opinions on where to run DNS server..... firewall
> vs main server. (Scott Womer)
> 13. Re: opinions on where to run DNS server..... firewallvs
> main server. (MadHat)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> From: sunflower1043 at juno.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:14:09 -0600
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Linux User Group HOWTO
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Sometime the last couple of weeks, I was reading an
> article on the Linux
> Newbie site
> ( http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ ).
> Sorry I don't have the exact link for the exact article I was
> reading. I
> should've done it at the time, and I failed to do so.
>
> In one of the page borders of that article, there was a
> link to the
> Linux User Group HOWTO, written by Kendall Clark. I don't
> think I knew
> of that howto, before I saw the link; it's at:
>
> http://www.ntlug.org/archive/lug-howto/lug.html
>
> I think it's great that we have someone who has done,
> and given, as much
> to and for Linux, as Kendall, here in NTLUG as one of our founders and
> leaders. Thanks, Kendall! -- Doug
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> Message: 2
> From: sunflower1043 at juno.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:13:48 -0600
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Mandrake 7 -- review
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Hi to all --
>
> Maybe you all have read some favorable reviews of
> Mandrake 7 -- on
> LinuxNewbie or elsewhere -- like I have recently. I installed it last
> weekend, and have been meaning to post this; I am pretty
> impressed with
> it so far, myself. Of course, proceed at your own risk; for me, looks
> like it will be my distro of choice for the time being.
>
> On a P II - 266 Mhz, 160 MB RAM, 2 Western Digital
> drives (4 G + 10 G);
> Sndblstr AWE 64 sound; Diam Stealth 3D3000 video card; TEAC
> CDROM; Have a
> HP Laserjet 6L; parallel port Iomega ZIP; no DVD, CD-R or RW, tape
> drives, etc. Whole machine appx. 2 yrs. old; a clone from
> IMS Computers.
> Using it as a business desktop, small ofc/home ofc.
>
> The install routine is really good-looking; I suppose
> that sounds a
> little funny. But, it's a really attractive blue screen (if
> you want,
> change to brown/green, grey/white), with a series of "stoplights" down
> the left side, turning green as each step completed; you can
> go back up
> and re-do prior steps if you wish. It doesn't have those
> grainy looks,
> and lines across screen, like RH 6.1 and SuSE 6.3 graphical
> installs had
> for me. Guess it must use a different server in the install, or
> something.
>
> If you choose the "expert" install, it gives you 5 choices as to
> security level to be installed. (First time, I chose most
> strict level
> -- "paranoid" -- and I was unable to get onto machine on
> reboot, as root
> !!!)
>
> The package selection, configure users, passwords,
> seemed nice to me.
> Their disk partitioning procedure is about as easy, attractive,
> simplified and user-friendly/ "dumbed-down" as I've seen it
> (I've tried
> Corel 1; RH 6.0, 6.1; SuSE 6.1, 6.2, 6.3; Mandrake 6; Caldera 2.3;
> Turbolinux 6; and, of course, DOS FDISK [!] ).
>
> On reboot and launch, the desktop (can choose KDE,
> GNOME, others and/or
> all) is pre-configured (at least for GNOME & KDE), with ready-made
> symlinks, on desktop, to your other automounted partitions.
> It also uses
> (as with, I suspect, much of the rest of Mandrake distro), the RedHat
> "sndconfig" device, which is the only way (other than Corel
> Linux) I've
> ever been able, despite much labor and RTFMs, to get a
> working sound card
> on Linux. It also configured my printer just fine (I haven't
> tried the
> ZIP drive, on same port as my printer; that's also been a chronic
> problem for me on Linux). I haven't configured/ connected it
> to Net yet;
> nor thoroughly been thru the whole system yet; have not yet installed
> StarOfc on it, nor WordPerfect 8.
>
> This distro (at least on the Linux Central CD, which is
> where I got it),
> offers a *lot* of the GNOME/ KDE apps. Also, it does include a really
> recent (I guess), graphically-enhanced version of Linuxconf, which,
> compared to SuSE YAST, others, is maybe my own favorite tool of that
> type.
>
> This is the first distro that I've used LILO in the MBR
> to boot; all
> other times, I've put LILO on floppy or the Linux partition,
> booting with
> a boot floppy; this feels to me like, symbolically, it's another step
> for me in switching over to Linux.
>
> It seems like a distro that fits the classic app of a
> machine for your
> mother/father/ sister/brother/kids, or else for an (at least somewhat)
> non-Geek like yours truly, who wants/ appreciates a GUI; still have
> trouble hacking scripts; pretty easy for me to install, and, at least
> for me, helping me out so far!
>
> Again, your mileage may vary. Proceed at your own
> risk! Best to all --
> Doug
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> Message: 3
> From: "Dan Carlson" <dmcarlson at prodigy.net>
> To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Mandrake 7 -- review / Bootable
> root raid partitions
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:41:27 -0600
> charset="Windows-1252"
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Which kernel version does it use? Does their install
> procedure support
> setting up a bootable root raid partition?
>
> So far the only distros I've seen that do this are RedHat 6.1
> and the RedHat
> 6.2 Beta I found at
> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/distributions/redhat/redhat-6.
2beta/. I'm
> interested because I bought two Maxtor 40 GB drives a week
> ago that I am
> trying to set up as a raid 1 array.
>
> The problem with with RedHat 6.1 is that is uses kernel 2.2.12, which
> doesn't properly handle ide drives over 33.8 GB. To handle
> ide drives over
> 33.8 GB you need kernel 2.2.14 or 2.3.21 or later. The 6.2
> Beta claims to
> be using kernel 2.2.15 (interesting because 2.2.14 appears to
> be the latest
> 2.2 release).
>
> On the bright side, the 6.2 Beta does appear to properly
> handle the drives
> to their full capacity, and I have succeeded in creating a
> bootable root
> raid partition. On the downside, I'm not thrilled with using
> a beta release
> on what will be my main server. Does anybody else have
> experience with the
> 6.2 Beta, or other releases that can support installing into
> a bootable root
> raid partition "out of the box"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Carlson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sunflower1043 at juno.com>
> To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 1:13 PM
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Mandrake 7 -- review
>
>
> > Hi to all --
> >
> > Maybe you all have read some favorable reviews of Mandrake 7 -- on
> > LinuxNewbie or elsewhere -- like I have recently. I
> installed it last
> > weekend, and have been meaning to post this; I am pretty
> impressed with
> > it so far, myself. Of course, proceed at your own risk;
> for me, looks
> > like it will be my distro of choice for the time being.
> >
> > ...
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:07:10 -0600
> From: Brian <briank at hex.net>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Astronomy & Linux
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Is there is an Astronomy HOWTO or something similar? Nothing on
> linuxdoc.org. I've come across a number of links using
> search engines,
> but they're scattered far and wide. My main areas of interest are CCD
> imaging and image processing. Anybody else here who is doing
> interesting
> things with CCD/digital imaging and Linux?
>
> --Brian
>
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>
> Message: 5
> From: sunflower1043 at juno.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:12:49 -0600
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Corel Linux RoadShow - FYI
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Chris' post this morning about ITEC caused me to do
> some checking around
> Corel's site. It looks like Corel will have its "Linux
> RoadShow 2000",
> relating to launch of its WordPerfect suite for Linux, in
> *Houston*, on
> April 4, 2000, afternoon and evening. What a disappointment, not in
> Dallas! Details, schedule, info at:
>
> http://www.corel.com/roadshow/index.htm
>
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> Message: 6
> From: Kyle_Davenport at compusa.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:59:04 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Astronomy & Linux
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
>
>
> Did you check out SAL (for Scientific Applications on LInux)?
> sal.kachinatech.com - appears to be down right now, but from
> google's cache I
> can see several relevent items, this one in particular:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:sal.kachinatech.com/Z/4/A
STRONOMY_LINUX.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brian <briank at hex.net> on 02/29/2000 02:07:10 PM
>
> Please respond to discuss at ntlug.org
>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> cc: (bcc: Kyle Davenport/Is/Corporate/CompUSA)
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] Astronomy & Linux
>
>
>
> Is there is an Astronomy HOWTO or something similar? Nothing on
> linuxdoc.org. I've come across a number of links using
> search engines,
> but they're scattered far and wide. My main areas of interest are CCD
> imaging and image processing. Anybody else here who is doing
> interesting
> things with CCD/digital imaging and Linux?
>
> --Brian
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:38:56 -0600
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> From: Stuart Yarus <syarus at dallas.beasys.com>
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] March Meeting Announcement
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> >From: Gary Lelvis <gary_lelvis at administaff.com>
> >To: 'DFWUUG Notify' <notify at dfwuug.org>, 'DFWUUG Newsletter'
> > <newsl at dfwuug.org>
> >Cc: "'Kevin Smith @ Turbolinux'" <ksmith at turbolinux.com>
> >Subject: March Meeting Announcement
> >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:24:56 -0600
> >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
> >
> >The March 2nd meting will feature a developer from
> TurboLinux in California:
> >
> >Title: Implementation and Design of Networking Subsystems in
> the Linux
> >Kernel.
> >
> >Speaker: Jay Schulist, Senior Software Engineer with TurboLinux
> >
> >Bio: Jay Schulist is currently employed at TurboLinux as a
> Senior Software
> >Engineer and leader of the Networking Group. Schulist began
> his Linux work
> >by creating extensions to Appletalk and Novell for the Linux
> kernel. Since
> >then Schulist has created numerous networking layers and
> drivers for Linux,
> >including Localtalk, TokenRing, IBM Channel, IEEE 802.2 and
> miscellaneous
> >enhancements.
> >
> >Besides Schulist's work at TurboLinux he is the Linux-SNA
> Project Leader.
> >Schulist's efforts in the SNA arena include full APPN and LU
> 6.2 protocol
> >implementation along with a large number of other IBM SNA
> Standards and
> >APIs.
> >
> >Summary: (edited per the author's request)
> >The talk will be based on the latest 2.3.x kernels and will
> focus on the
> >general implementation of networking layers within Linux, using the
> >Linux-SNA networking layer as the example. Included will be
> discussion of
> >the Linux networking layer structure, the tying of the
> networking layer to
> >the kernel, the implementation of standard APIs using existing kernel
> >facilities, and buffer management (including the use of the
> new Advanced
> >Kernel Buffers (skb pools).
> >
> >
> >
>
> Stuart Yarus
> BEA Systems, Inc. voice: +1 972-943-5041
> 4965 Preston Park Blvd. fax: +1 972-943-5111
> Suite 500 email: syarus at beasys.com
> Plano, Texas 75093-5150 WWW: http://www.beasys.com/
>
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>
> Message: 8
> From: sunflower1043 at juno.com
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:46:21 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Mandrake 7 -- review / Bootable
> root raid partitions
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:41:27 -0600 "Dan Carlson"
> <dmcarlson at prodigy.net>
> writes:
> > Which kernel version does it use?
>
> Appears to be 2.2.14-15 (I'm unsure of the significance
> of the last
> digits, -15)
>
> >Does their install procedure
> > support
> > setting up a bootable root raid partition?
>
> <snip>
>
> Dan, I don't know. I recall nothing particularly
> germane in the install
> routine overall; In my memory of the partitioning and LILO/boot
> sequences, during the install, I don't recall anything which
> I recall as
> especially bearing upon RAID. I've looked at documentation on the CD;
> nothing helpful appears to me. As to a more general issue of
> whether or
> not, and if so, how, it's supported in this Mandrake distro
> and kernel,
> I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to say.
>
> Mandrake is at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/
>
> and some other resources at: http://www.mandrakeuser.org/index.html
>
> Wish I could be more responsive to your question. -- Doug
> *******************************************
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> Message: 9
> From: "clyde swann" <swannc at hotmail.com>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:19:30 PST
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] opinions on where to run DNS
> server..... firewall vs main server.
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> i had started setting up dns to run on my
> firewall/gateway/router machine
> (486dx2/66, 32mg ram, linux v6.0), connected to adsl line
> with static ip.
> then i read something that suggested the dns server is
> expected to be run on
> the main server (pii-450, 192mg ram, linux v6.1). just
> curious as to the
> assumption, other than it being a server program. are there any real
> pros/cons?
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:17:49 -0600
> From: "Gregory A. Edwards" <greg at nas-inet.com>
> Organization: New Age Software, Inc.
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] mail server question
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Bobby Wrenn wrote:
> >
> > I don't mind changing the MTA later. Right now I just need to get
> > something running and test it before I move the domain. I
> can afford to
> > have the web site down for a while but I can't afford to
> lose any email.
> >
> > If I understand I need at least one other server peice
> beside the MTA.
> > Am I correct in thinking that the MTA just collects
> incoming mail but
> > doesn't handle outgoing mail? If I am correct, what do I
> need to handle
> > the outgoing mail?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bobby
> >
>
>
> Sendmail will take you both directions. I use Netscape mail and the
> SMTP outgoing setup to use my mailhost. I've also used
> kmail, CDE mail,
> mail, and StarOffice mail with this same configuration.
>
> --
> Greg Edwards
> New Age Software, Inc.
> http://www.nas-inet.com
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:38:30 -0600 (CST)
> From: Jonathan Miller <betaray at kludge.org>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] opinions on where to run DNS
> server..... firewall
> vs main server.
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Well if you are only going to be using it to look up address
> then by all
> means put it on the inside of the firewall. That is of course
> if when you
> say firewall you mean firewall and not router (which a
> surprising number
> of people do). If you expect people to actually be able to
> reach the box
> from the outside world to resolve domains that you are in
> charge of you'll
> need to keep it visible to the network.
>
> DNS is a very light chore, so I wouldn't worry about putting it on the
> 486.
>
> However, even if you really want to set up the DNS machine on
> the other
> side of the fire wall, don't. UDP is a royal pain in the ass to police
> with ipchains. And if you're doing masq'ing then your SOL anyhow.
>
> Hope my rambles provide a little bit of insight.
>
> -- Jonathan
>
> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, clyde swann wrote:
>
> > i had started setting up dns to run on my
> firewall/gateway/router machine
> > (486dx2/66, 32mg ram, linux v6.0), connected to adsl line
> with static ip.
> > then i read something that suggested the dns server is
> expected to be run on
> > the main server (pii-450, 192mg ram, linux v6.1). just
> curious as to the
> > assumption, other than it being a server program. are
> there any real
> > pros/cons?
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
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> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> Message: 12
> From: "Scott Womer" <Scott at Womer.Com>
> To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] opinions on where to run DNS
> server..... firewall vs main server.
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 06:27:18 -0600
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Opinion Alert:
>
> What I found that worked best for me, when needed to resolve
> both internal
> and external addresses for the nodes on the inside of the
> firewall, and
> provide name resolution for the machines outside the
> firewall, is to run
> what's call a split-level dns. Putting a minimal dns on the firewall
> itself, this one should be able to resolve only the names and
> addresses of
> the publicly accessible machines, this dns would point to the
> normal root
> servers. Put another dns on a machine inside the firewall
> that resolves
> just the private side of the network, this dns would use the
> firewall dns as
> it's root level dns and it's forwarder. Both your dns
> servers would have
> the internal dns configured as it's primary resolver.
>
> That's about as simple as I can make it sound without going
> into 10 pages of
> detail. If you want more detail, or just have questions...
> let me know.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Scott Womer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "clyde swann" <swannc at hotmail.com>
> To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 8:19 PM
> Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] opinions on where to run DNS
> server..... firewall
> vs main server.
>
>
> > i had started setting up dns to run on my
> firewall/gateway/router machine
> > (486dx2/66, 32mg ram, linux v6.0), connected to adsl line
> with static ip.
> > then i read something that suggested the dns server is
> expected to be run
> on
> > the main server (pii-450, 192mg ram, linux v6.1). just
> curious as to the
> > assumption, other than it being a server program. are
> there any real
> > pros/cons?
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 06:58:07 -0600
> From: MadHat <madhat at unspecific.com>
> To: discuss at ntlug.org
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] opinions on where to run DNS
> server..... firewallvs
> main server.
> Reply-To: discuss at ntlug.org
>
> Jonathan Miller wrote:
> >
> > Well if you are only going to be using it to look up
> address then by all
> > means put it on the inside of the firewall. That is of
> course if when you
> > say firewall you mean firewall and not router (which a
> surprising number
> > of people do). If you expect people to actually be able to
> reach the box
> > from the outside world to resolve domains that you are in
> charge of you'll
> > need to keep it visible to the network.
> >
> > DNS is a very light chore, so I wouldn't worry about
> putting it on the
> > 486.
> >
> > However, even if you really want to set up the DNS machine
> on the other
> > side of the fire wall, don't. UDP is a royal pain in the
> ass to police
> > with ipchains. And if you're doing masq'ing then your SOL anyhow.
>
> I am curious why you say this? How is policing UDP any differant from
> TCP, it is still based on IP and port, so why is it more
> dificult? And
> I don't understand the comment about the masq'ing, why would
> someone be
> SOL, what do you mean? (yes, I know what SOL is, I just don't
> understand why you say that).
>
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> print map $_{$_}, split //,
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