[NTLUG:Discuss] RE:

[Steve Jackson]

I'm sorry to here that someone is having problems getting help from such a
helpfull group.  I use Outlook 2000 and have never had a problem.  There are
some security problems in Outlook, but pretty much all of them that I'm
aware of have been addressed with patches and how-tos for resolving the
issues.

Instead of recommending 'discontinuance of use of Microsoft Outlook2000,'
(although I realize it's your opinion, and respect it as such) let's see if
we can help John out, so he can get the benefits of postings from and to
this group.

John, what exactly is the problem?  Can you be more specific?

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-admin at ntlug.org [mailto:discuss-admin at ntlug.org]On Behalf Of
Daniel Hauck
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:05 PM
To: discuss at ntlug.org; announce at ntlug.org
Cc: (NTLUG) RCook
Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:


What a tragedy.  Actually, I don't mean this sarcastically either.

First, in Microsoft's arrogance, it is my presumption that they might have
done something to prevent normal (standard) emailing to be prevented.  It's
likely you can turn this "feature" off but who knows where the problem
really lies.

Second, NTLUG is not only about the support and promotion of Linux.  I would
venture to extend the notion of promotion to the migration of users from
Windows, which in my opinion, is a tremendous hurdle when you consider it.
(It's like the rationale of the fearful skydiver -- "Why would I want to
jump out a perfectly good airplane???")

Now to fully address the Outlook2000 issue, please don't think of me as
"closed minded" about it, but I recommend the immediate discontinuance of
use of Microsoft Outlook2000.  The security vulnerabilities faced by users
of Outlook products are mostly "by design" and so you can expect a
relatively uninterrupted flow of such problems throughout its use.

Soon, with the release of Windows XP and as it eventually gains ground in
the corporate world, we will see more of such problems where Microsoft will
begin to blame the internet and TCP/IP as the point of failure; that TCP/IP
is a flawed protocol from a security and reliability standpoint.  They will
then create their own "more secure" variant that will essentially be
compatible yet proprietary.  Maybe this might sound like ms paranoia to
some, but consider Microsoft's methods as used in the past, their lack of
motivation to change their methods and their arrogant stance in the face of
the anti-trust actions already in court.  This is not a far-fetched
prediction.

Now, more than ever, a path to migration is a necessary part of NTLUG's
promotional role.


----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: discuss at ntlug.org ; announce at ntlug.org
Cc: (NTLUG) RCook
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:42 AM
Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:


As you (ntlug.org) cannot seem to get emails to me in a format
MS-Outlook2000 can view, I have to ask you to remove me from the emailing
list. I have been asking for assistance for months, and only received a few
emails in attempt to resolve the issue (thanks to Rick Cook for what he has
done). I responded to all visible emails, all non-visible emails were
replied to with "this is yet another blank email". I have been doing my part
to resolve the issue, and you have not (dropped the ball/disregarded the
issue without notification).

I still cannot even begin to fathom how, one person can send to me from
ntlug.org, and another cannot.

I can not and will not recommend this to others, unless you give a concerted
attempt resolve the issue.

sorry,
john

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From: announce-admin at ntlug.org [mailto:announce-admin at ntlug.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:54 PM
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