[NTLUG:Discuss] RE:

Thu Sep 13 14:34:46 CDT 2001

Only real difference I see is
charset="iso-8859-1" on the "legible" as compaired to
charset="us-ascii"; on mine...

I remember why I hate MS products...

good luck

At 02:16 PM 9/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Steve,
>
>    I really appreciated reading this. Thank You, and Dan Carlson for sending
>replies.
>
>    Since I made the post, I have received five emails in response. Three
>were unreadable, and two (including yours) were legible. I am attaching one
>of each of those emails for you and anyone who will help resolve my issue,
>as I do so want to be a part of this group.
>________________________________________________
>Dan Carlson's legible email header:
>
>Return-Path: <dmcarlsn at yahoo.com>
>Received: from server.dcarlson.net (105.97-89-63.adsl.directlink.net
>[63.89.97.105])
>         by ns1.acculock.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04051
>         for <john at acculock.com>; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:44:18 -0500
>Received: from DMCNOTE (server.dcarlson.net [63.89.97.105])
>         by server.dcarlson.net (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with 
> SMTP id
>f8DIHj621243;
>         Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:17:45 -0500
>Message-ID: <003901c13c80$449795f0$6e03a8c0 at dcarlson.net>
>From: "Dan Carlson" <dmcarlsn at yahoo.com>
>To: <discuss at ntlug.org>, "John" <john at acculock.com>
>References: <3BA02DE2.3C60EB10 at acm.org>
><5.1.0.14.0.20010913122423.04da5898 at pop.unspecific.com>
>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:16:53 -0500
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain;
>         charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-Priority: 3
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200
>Status:
>_________________________________________________
>MadHat's illegible email header:
>
>Return-Path: <madhat at unspecific.com>
>Received: from smtp-dallas.yahoo.com (pop-dallas.yahoo.com [63.250.212.19])
>         by ns1.acculock.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA03980
>         for <john at acculock.com>; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:00:39 -0500
>Received: from madhat-win2k.unspecific.com (172-21-142-63.broadcast.com
>[172.21.142.63] (may be forged))
>         by smtp-dallas.yahoo.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/smtp-dallas) with SMTP id
>f8DHY6m11919;
>         Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:34:06 -0500 (CDT)
>Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010913122423.04da5898 at pop.unspecific.com>
>X-Sender: madhat at pop.unspecific.com
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:33:21 -0500
>To: discuss at ntlug.org, "John" <john at acculock.com>
>From: MadHat <madhat at unspecific.com>
>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>In-Reply-To: <NFBBKJBIILHKPEFOAJDOAECDCCAA.john at acculock.com>
>References: <3BA02DE2.3C60EB10 at acm.org>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>Status:
>_________________________________________________
>
>thanks,
>John
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Jackson [mailto:sjackson at stratmarkcorp.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:22 PM
>To: discuss at ntlug.org
>Cc: john at acculock.com
>Subject: RE: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>
>
>I'm sorry to here that someone is having problems getting help from such a
>helpfull group.  I use Outlook 2000 and have never had a problem.  There are
>some security problems in Outlook, but pretty much all of them that I'm
>aware of have been addressed with patches and how-tos for resolving the
>issues.
>
>Instead of recommending 'discontinuance of use of Microsoft Outlook2000,'
>(although I realize it's your opinion, and respect it as such) let's see if
>we can help John out, so he can get the benefits of postings from and to
>this group.
>
>John, what exactly is the problem?  Can you be more specific?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discuss-admin at ntlug.org [mailto:discuss-admin at ntlug.org]On Behalf Of
>Daniel Hauck
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:05 PM
>To: discuss at ntlug.org; announce at ntlug.org
>Cc: (NTLUG) RCook
>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>
>
>What a tragedy.  Actually, I don't mean this sarcastically either.
>
>First, in Microsoft's arrogance, it is my presumption that they might have
>done something to prevent normal (standard) emailing to be prevented.  It's
>likely you can turn this "feature" off but who knows where the problem
>really lies.
>
>Second, NTLUG is not only about the support and promotion of Linux.  I would
>venture to extend the notion of promotion to the migration of users from
>Windows, which in my opinion, is a tremendous hurdle when you consider it.
>(It's like the rationale of the fearful skydiver -- "Why would I want to
>jump out a perfectly good airplane???")
>
>Now to fully address the Outlook2000 issue, please don't think of me as
>"closed minded" about it, but I recommend the immediate discontinuance of
>use of Microsoft Outlook2000.  The security vulnerabilities faced by users
>of Outlook products are mostly "by design" and so you can expect a
>relatively uninterrupted flow of such problems throughout its use.
>
>Soon, with the release of Windows XP and as it eventually gains ground in
>the corporate world, we will see more of such problems where Microsoft will
>begin to blame the internet and TCP/IP as the point of failure; that TCP/IP
>is a flawed protocol from a security and reliability standpoint.  They will
>then create their own "more secure" variant that will essentially be
>compatible yet proprietary.  Maybe this might sound like ms paranoia to
>some, but consider Microsoft's methods as used in the past, their lack of
>motivation to change their methods and their arrogant stance in the face of
>the anti-trust actions already in court.  This is not a far-fetched
>prediction.
>
>Now, more than ever, a path to migration is a necessary part of NTLUG's
>promotional role.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John
>To: discuss at ntlug.org ; announce at ntlug.org
>Cc: (NTLUG) RCook
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:42 AM
>Subject: [NTLUG:Discuss] RE:
>
>
>As you (ntlug.org) cannot seem to get emails to me in a format
>MS-Outlook2000 can view, I have to ask you to remove me from the emailing
>list. I have been asking for assistance for months, and only received a few
>emails in attempt to resolve the issue (thanks to Rick Cook for what he has
>done). I responded to all visible emails, all non-visible emails were
>replied to with "this is yet another blank email". I have been doing my part
>to resolve the issue, and you have not (dropped the ball/disregarded the
>issue without notification).
>
>I still cannot even begin to fathom how, one person can send to me from
>ntlug.org, and another cannot.
>
>I can not and will not recommend this to others, unless you give a concerted
>attempt resolve the issue.
>
>sorry,
>john
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: announce-admin at ntlug.org [mailto:announce-admin at ntlug.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:54 PM
>To: announce at ntlug.org; discuss at ntlug.org
>Subject:
>
>_______________________________________________
>http://www.ntlug.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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