[NTLUG:Discuss] Job Searching

[Tom Zabel]

Either that or someone is fishing for a Microsoftie - since .NET and C#
have had to exist internally in M$ for longer than a year in some form
or other.

Oh, and a comment on Brian's piece below.  This scam is also used for
jobs that DO exist but are being pitched to justify H-1B visas.  Here's
how this works:

A company writes up a detailed job description with an unbelievably low
salary.  An example I remember from about 10 years ago went something
like this:  MS in Computer Science.  10 years experience in a long list
of skills.  40 hours per week.  $35,000 per year.  Contact Job Service
of Illinois (the job was in Chicago, advertised in EE Times - entry for
someone with a BSCS was about $30,000 nationally at the time, an MSCS
would've been about $38,000 with NO experience SOOOOO highly unlikely
that a citizen with an MSCS and 10 years experience would make a run at
something with an entry level salary.  And some of the skills listed
were things that were especially in demand in 1990-91.  After running
the ad and using the Illinois equivalent of Texas Workforce Commission,
the company likely had no takers - and all the evidence it needed to
assert that the skill didn't exist or didn't exist is sufficient
quantity in the US.  This was all the justification needed to request an
H-1B visa.)

These jobs that run forever may be resume grabbing schemes - or H-1B
gathering scams.

Either way, the folks running the ads are, in the best of times, highly
deceptive.  In times like we have now, they are despicable.

Tom Zabel
Dallas, TX

Daniel Hauck wrote:
> 
> There has to be some way we can sue for false advertising.  To advertise for
> a job that doesn't exist seems, at the very least, immoral.  I know they
> aren't "selling" anything exactly, but somehow the practice seems very
> wrong.  And, yeah, I believe that's right.
> 
> On Monster.com, I saw a request for ".NET & C# programmers with 1 year
> experience."  I nearly fell backward in my chair reading that.  First, .NET
> & C# hasn't been out of beta for a year...how the HELL can anyone fit that
> requirement?  The job doesn't exist... either that or the ad writer is an
> idiot... probably both.  Okay, so I'm bitter about being unemployed...
> forgive me.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <brian at pongonova.net>
> To: <discuss at ntlug.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Job Searching
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:32:48PM -0600, Jim Wildman wrote:
> > > I was laid off about 3 weeks ago.  There seem to be alot of jobs on the
> > > job boards, but it is hard to get interviews.  The employers are being
> > > VERY specific in their requirements.
> >
> > Here's the game that's being played:  Many recruiting firms are
> advertising job
> > reqs that either (1) don't exist, or (2) are magically "filled" after
> you've
> > submitted your resume and other info.  These companies are building their
> resume
> > files, because when the turnaround comes (it will), the guy or gal with
> the biggest
> > stack of resumes wins.  Not only that, but they now have your salary
> history *and*
> > the nickels you were willing to work for when times were tough.  So when
> they do
> > call you, what are you going to do?  Lie and tell them you really
> *weren't* willing
> > to work for the pittance you mentioned?
> >
> > This was confirmed by an individual here in Dallas that happens to be a
> tech
> > recruiter, as well as a relative in Houston who deals with recruiters (but
> isn't
> > one, thank God).  But don't take my word for it:  Ever wonder why the same
> job
> > appears for weeks at a time on texas.computerjobs.com?  Or why job
> descriptions are
> > so detailed?
> >
> > Simple: The jobs simply don't exist.
> >
> >   --Brian
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