[NTLUG:Discuss] RE: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26

[Jim Adams]

A bill passes out of a committee and heads to the chamber floor for a
vote by the complete senate, or the house.

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   1. Re:  Urgent alert: Come testify against the Super
      	DMCA! Seante hearing 1PM may 6. (jeremy)


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Date: 11 May 2003 11:36:33 -0500
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Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss]  Urgent alert: Come testify against the
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	DMCA! Seante hearing 1PM may 6.
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I read "the" bill.  ...Both of them.  In fact, they're on by bill
"watch list" on the legislature website. 

what I meant was:

what does "bill has passed out of Senate Committee" mean?


On Sun, 2003-05-11 at 02:08, Mike wrote:
> On Saturday 10 May 2003 06:06 pm, jeremy wrote:
> > Paul,
> >   can you elaborate on what this means?
> Go Read the bill, it's really scary. This turns the internet 
> from a free entity (Citizens Band) to a commercially owned 
> enterprise (the gods at the hub deal out whatever they 
> want, and don't expect any of it to be free.) It means that 
> unless your ISP gives you permission, you can't do it. (And 
> they have to get permission from the service providers, 
> etc...) The scary part is that this law makes it criminal 
> to violate the bill. 
> 
> This bill basically turns the internet upside down.  Before 
> this bill is a law, everything coming into your house on 
> the internet is legal until proven otherwise. (And there 
> are very few laws that affect inbound content here, only 
> pornography laws have been demonstrated effective.)   After 
> this law, nothing is legal unless your ISP writes it into 
> the contract, and you and the ISP are liable for any 
> unauthorized use. That is, any activity that isn't clearly 
> covered by a contract somewhere becomes a criminal act 
> (meaning the cops come take your stuff and threaten you 
> with jail time and/or hefty fines) instead of 
> default-of-contract (meaning the ISP and other infringed 
> parties can cut your line and sue you in civil court for 
> the money they can prove you cost them.)
> 
> In real terms, we'll all be criminals immediately:
> 
> 1. Using the Internet to let windows phone home is illegal 
> unless specifically stated in your ISP's agreement, but 
> likely to get ignored.  (But remember, a single criminal  
> act can lead to seizure of property within the statute of 
> limitations 3 or 5 years.) 
> 
> 2. Using an MP3 copying system is illegal,  and likely to 
> get you visited by your local law enforcement guys, serving 
> papers drummed up by the RIAA spys legally monitoring your 
> ISP's T1 line.  The cops will leave you the papers, and 
> take with them anything smarter than a toaster in your 
> house, along with all music playing devices (and maybe all 
> recorded media ) as part of the legal search and seizure 
> that your illegal activity allows. 
> 
> 3. Using ICQ is illegal unless stated in your isp's 
> agreement, but again, likely to get ignored (for now, until 
> someone figures out how to make it a pay service... or the 
> phone company declares ICQ competition and starts 
> monitoring the internet for its use.)
> 
> 
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