[NTLUG:Discuss] is an AMD XP the same as a Celeron????

[Richard Strittmatter]

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> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] is an AMD XP the same as a Celeron????
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> On Wed, 28 May 2003, Darin W. Smith wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:26:56 -0500, Richard Geoffrion 
> > <ntlug at rain4us.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > what gives?? Why is Intel using their CELERONs to compete 
> with AMD??
> > 
> > The way I see this, is that Intel believes and has evidence 
> that they 
> > can
> > still charge a premium over comparable AMD chips for their 
> P3 and P4 
> > "propers" and use the Celeron to compete with AMD because 
> people looking at 
> > a cheap system will be looking at the AMDs vs. the Celerons 
> (*because* 
> > Intel has purposely priced their other chips out of the 
> "cheap PC" realm-- 
> > Intel has effectively created this market comparison).
> > 
> > I've had both a Celeron and an AMD of comparable bus speed, and the 
> > AMD
> > always beat the Celeron in heavy math.  Integer operations 
> (most Windoze 
> > apps) were comparable...but then, integer ops are probably 
> comparable 
> > between the Celeron and any other similar speed chip of 
> Intel's, IMO.
> > 
> > Basically, Intel is using their brand-name as a way to get higher 
> > prices on
> > their higher end stuff...targeting the server market and 
> those who chant 
> > "nobody ever got fired for buying Intel" like people used 
> to chant "nobody 
> > ever got fired for buying IBM."
> <snip>
> 
> 
>   One thing to note. I've had AMD chips burn up when heat sink had 
> problems.  I haven't had Intel chips do the same.
> 
>  I have heard the new, high speed, P4 and Xeon Intel 
> processors will burn 
> up if you have heat sink problems (IE: the fan quits) and 
> don't shut down 
> quickly enough.
> 

All of the new Intel chips slow down as the temperature increases, and
shut down when it reaches a threshold.

http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20010917/heatvideo-02.html

Tom's hardware even tested them w/o heatsink and fan.

Richard