[NTLUG:Discuss] SCO again

[Tom Adelstein]

linux at cowtown.net wrote:
> Wayne Dahl wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 17:47, MadHat wrote:
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>>> The issue is Evolution.  We went through this a little while back.   It
>>> is that the mailer some people use are using S/MIME to sign their
>>> messages and evolution does not support it.  I have tried talking to the
>>> developers about a simple patch that would just display the content
>>> instead of just dropping it, but they weren't interested.  S/MIME is not
>>> _widely_ used presently, so I guess they don't have enough pressure to
>>> fix it.  They have been talking about is since S/MIME came out several
>>> years ago, but has not been an issue until recently as more clients
>>> start implementing it (such as Netscape and Outlook).
>>>
>>> Basically S/MIME is Secure MIME protocol that allows people to encrypt,
>>> decrypt and sign mail messages natively within the client, rather than
>>> having to use something like GPG.  It is based off of the existing and
>>> long standing MIME protocol.  OpenSSL supports it.  There is a Perl
>>> module specifically for it, the Net::SSLeay Perl module supports it I
>>> believe, there is Java support for it, mutt has added support for it,
>>> but Evolution does not.  gggrrrrr....
>>>
>>> http://www.rsasecurity.com/standards/smime/faq.html
>>>   
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>> So why do some of them come through ok and some don't?  I've checked the
>> mailers on the messages and some are sent through Mutt, some show
>> Unknown mailer for the sender.  The weird thing is, some of Toms (and
>> also Chris' and also one for Lance Simmons that came through) show up
>> just fine and the ones that don't always have an attachment that doesn't
>> appear to exist anywhere, at least in Evolution.  It wouldn't make sense
>> that these people are changing their mime types randomly in their
>> messages, would it?
>>
>> Maybe I'm all wet.  Dunno.  At least I can see most of their messages
>> when someone else replies to them and quotes them.
>>
>> Wayne
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> Isn't it an option ( in most any mail client ) to just use in-line 
> straight text, ( no attachments ), and if everyone did, wouldn't 
> everyone be able to read everyone else's posts?  Isn't that the standard 
> for lists and news groups?
> 

I do use in-line text. Evolution uses attachments by default or at least 
that's what I remember.  My attachment is a Certificate. I do turn it 
off and on when I post to this group. I forget to turn it off sometimes.

That's where the random nature occurs.

Text based MUA's like Mutt and Pine have problems with some of the
junk html mail widgets put in messages. That's a fact of life when using 
  not GUI Mail User Agents and browser's like Lynx.

I'm not buying Ximian's story about S/Mime. I lived and breathed email 
for four years at Bynari.

They have a broken html widget that just happens to work wonderfully 
with Microsoft Outlook. Microsoft Exchange, we must remember is 
Evolution's mail server of choice.

If you doubt that, then I must have dreamed up all those conference 
calls and meetings with their development team. One of the many problems 
we had with evolution occurred since it would not work with Bynari's 
Insight Server. They wanted it to, but they also wanted to open source 
our connector when they wouldn't do the same with their's.

BTW, Insight server was 100% open source and standard Linux components 
Cyrus IMAP, Open LDAP, proftp, Apache and exim (sendmail). If evolution 
would work with that, then you might have a understanding of the proble.

I do not expect the Evolution problem to go away. It's not high on their 
list of priorities as the consider a free product and they don't do free 
any more. The sad thing is they just won't tell the world that their 
Venture Capitalists dictate what they do.

Kolab client and server is the coming thing. The project just left the 
building last week. It looks like the binaries only run on SuSE right 
now. I'm attempting get a build to run on Red Hat. If it does what they 
told me it would do, then I'm expecting it to be acceptible.