[NTLUG:Discuss] Redhat Offerings -- the Red Hat bashing tour isback!

[Kermit Jones]

I wasn't going to get in on this, but I felt it was time.  First, I'm a 
bit disappointed at the "My opinion is better than yours." attitude.  
That's not what these lists, or any, for that matter, should be about.

As to a remark near the bottom.  No on have a problem with a company 
getting to the "top of the heap."  The problem is what they do when they 
are there.  It's rather sad when a company gets to the top of the heap 
and the seemingly forgets about all the shoulders they stood on to get 
there.

If Red Hat had developed everything in house, it would be different, but 
they have been successful because of the very community (free/cheap OSS) 
they have now seemingly abandoned.  I Fedora is "so much Red Hat" as its 
defendants claim, why did Red Hat choose to change the name?  $109 may 
not be a lot for some people, but its the main reason most people I talk 
to are still running Win98 instead of XP.  They should have stayed with 
at least one $50.00 boxed product with a week or two support minimum.  
Even charge for the support, if needed, but don't just leave people 
hanging dry.

KJ

Thomas Cameron wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Kevin Hulse" <hulse_kevin at yahoo.com>
>To: "NTLUG Discussion List" <discuss at ntlug.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 9:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Redhat Offerings -- the Red Hat bashing tour is
>back!
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>>Option A:  When a Linux gets critical mass of
>>           marketshare, the distributor jacks
>>           up the price 100% or more.
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>Oh, let me get my hanky real quick...  You're making me cry.
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>PUH-LEEEEZE.  RH has led the way in getting Linux into the enterprise.
>Period.  They *gave* their distro away for free for, what, six or seven
>years?  That is time and money they spent getting us to that "critical
>mass."  Now they want to make some of that money back, and you're bitching
>about it?  And at $109, it is about 20% the price of a Microsoft desktop and
>productivity tool set.
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>I say again:  PUH-LEEEEZE!  Get over it.  They are still developing a free
>(as in beer) distro - it's called Fedora.
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>>Option B: When a Linux gets critical mass of
>>          marketshare, the distributor
>>          discontinues the product.
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>Um, no.  Please stop spreading this misinformation.  Red Hat still has a
>community, end-user distro they support - Fedora.
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>>Neither of these are make Redhat seem particularly
>>dependable.
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>ROFLMAO - are you kidding me?  RH decides to focus on the enterprise and
>that somehow makes them *less* dependable???  Get real!
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>>"Promises" about having a stable 5 year
>>release cycle don't help. Redhat has earned all the
>>abuse it has gotten lately. They haven't endeared
>>themselves to those of us that would otherwise deploy
>>on IBM or Sun systems.
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>Hey - you want to blow an additional 200-500% (or more) of your money, knock
>yourself out.  In my world, if I made a recommendation like that to my boss,
>I'd need to update my resume.
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>>They could have done that without effectively
>>killing the original Redhat trademark.
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>Um, they didn't.  They focused on the market share with the biggest demand
>and return on investment.  No one seems to pay attention to the fact that RH
>is a business with shareholders and employees they are beholden to.  News
>flash - this is a Capitalist society, and in order to succeed companies have
>to make tough business decisions.  In this case they are dancing with the
>ones who brung 'em (the community) but also taking care of the market share
>most likely to make them successful.
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>Why is it that as soon as anyone gets to the top of the heap, everyone else
>starts slamming them?
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>By the way - it's "Red Hat" (two words), not Redhat.
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>Thomas
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