[NTLUG:Discuss] Verizon FIOS and PPPoE

[Burton Strauss]

The only qualified piece of CPE (Customer Premises Equipment) is the D-Link
they sell/give w/ customized firmware.

If you don't know the telco's, qualification is a big process.  Months.  And
only a few pieces of equipment ever go through the process. Theoretically,
every change - esp. firmware - requires requal.  My concern here is how long
it might take to fix a security hole - and there have been more than a few
in the various gateways.

>From some things that have been said, I'm *guessing* that the customized
firmware is really less about supporting higher speeds than about remote
management.  That's another thing telcos are big on - avoiding truck rolls
to fix CPE.

Although there are some reports of other routers working, if you don't use
the qualified CPE, you are TOTALLY on your own.  If you think Comcast used
to be bad about supporting home gateways... just wait...

I've also heard they are agressively filtering server ports.  It was
discussed here - http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,12220109,
check page 2:
-----Burton


Nagorg

  I too was excited about this FIOS in Highland Village. I even ordered the
service to be installed early March. Yesterday I had to cancel the order
because I discovered that not only does the "Terms of Service" state that
you will not be allowed to host your own web services(HTTP, SMTP etc..), but
that they also filter inbound traffic to most of these common ports making
it impossible.
Personally, I don't want to pay for this type of filtered service. Also,
they use PPOE and reports are that you have to use their provided D-Link
router if you want the advertised bandwidth.

Very disappointing in my opinion! 
 
reply to Nagorg

The TOS is nothing new, and not surprising at all with the cost of the
service. I think they are really only blocking ports 25 and 80 from what
I've seen. Even though it is against the TOS, people run servers all the
time, just on a different port.

As far as the router goes, you can use any router you please as long as it
is capable of those speeds. There have been others who have done this.

I sure wouldn't cancel my order because you can't run a server. You can't do
that with Comcast either, and it costs about the same.... and you don't have
to deal with Comcast. 

reply to NOCMan

While Comcast does have a similar TOS, they dont actually filter the inbound
traffic. It woud appear that if you dont generate a lot of traffic then you
remain "under the radar" with them. I do understand that I could run web
services on a non-standard port but I find that rediculous unless there was
a real need for that. (Web Admin etc..)Besides, I have a hard enough time
with family members not remembering the URL much less asking them to connect
to a specific port on top if it. In any case, I'm not too sure of how I
could trick other mail servers to connect to mine on a port other than 25
for SMTP...

This is a reason for me because I have been accustom to running my services
for a number of years. I would rather leave my existing service intact than
to make a sacrifice for filtered service. I mean really.. the ~4MB down that
I have now is really pretty darn fast. True, I dont have 2MB up but that
hasn't been a real issue for me so far.

BTW.. I did confirm with a tech in the business department that they block
other ports as well such as 21, 23, 110 etc.. I was given a lame excuse that
this was their way to "protect the consumer" from viruses, spam and other
malicious internet use. If you ask me, this only restricts the consumer and
forces you into a more expensive business class account with them if you
need un-restricted bandwidth. 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at ntlug.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at ntlug.org] On Behalf
Of Jay Urish
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:34 AM
To: Jack Snodgrass; NTLUG Discussion List
Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] Verizon FIOS and PPPoE

Aww man....
They are pullin uniduct in my Flower Mound neighborhood right now. I figured
they would try some BS like PPPoE.. I really want to put my mailserver at my
house.



Jack Snodgrass wrote:
> I am going to get 15Meg/2Meg Verizon FIOS installed on monday....
woo-hoo... 
> 
> They will give me a dinky, little D-Link router that does PPPoE. These 
> routers have been optimised to handle the 15meg speed on the WAN 
> port... something like that...  A normal router that does PPPoE is 
> supposed to work, but not as fast...
> 
> Anyway... I'm hoping that I can use my Linux Router that I have set up 
> with
> 4 interfaces and not use the D-Link router. I like the way my router 
> is set up now with the firewall and port forwarding that I know how to 
> use. If the optimation that Version has done to the Dlink router 
> really is so that it can handle more traffic on the WAN port, then I 
> think that my linux pc should be fine.
> Has anyone
> else gotten Verizon Fios and tried to use a linux PPPoE client to connect?

> 
> Is there a PPPoE server that I can run on linux to test out a PPPoE 
> linux client... something that will let me set up a private, PPPeE link?
> 
> Thanks - jack
> 
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