[NTLUG:Discuss] For Language Junkies

[Leroy Tennison]

Chris Cox wrote:

>Peter A. Koren wrote:
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>>http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/05/12/22/173238.shtml?
>>tid=108&tid=156
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>>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=141312
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>>Bruce Eckel has a great discussion of some programming language issues.
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>My summary of Bruce's remarks:
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> "A lot of "hyper" unknowledgeable people are moving to Ruby.  Python
> has great maturity and much larger community.  Java sucks.  C++
> sucks.  But it's ok if you're using any of those as long as
> you're not advocating Ruby.... which is simply a better Perl."
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>I like Ruby better than Python because I hate languages which
>are dependent on white space.... there... now wasn't that
>simple??  Hyper?  I don't think so.
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>Ruby certainly needs some maturing....  I just how it
>makes it trivial to extend classes on the fly (very
>interpretive)... maybe Python does that too... my brain won't
>allow me to use python though.  Maybe I'm hyper after all!
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>Nevermind.. you're right Bruce... Ruby folks are all just
>hyper ethusiasts.
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Thank you, I now know that I'm confused at a higher level.  I know that 
C++ and java are object-oriented, what about Python and Ruby?  I haven't 
been impressed with Object Orientation.  I realize it's supposed to be 
the "right" way to program (my, my - arent't we humble, the one right 
way to program...).  What I'm most un-impressed with is how it's spread 
to scripting languages (like VB script) and macro languages (Open 
Office).  Somewhere we have lost our perspective.  Macro languages and, 
to a lesser extent scripting languages, allow those who don't want to be 
a "hard core" programmer to have some level of automation without all of 
the steep learning curve.  What Object Orientation has done is take that 
away from them.  I really don't want to have to learn about objects and 
methods and all that to just write a simple word processing macro.  I 
also don't want to have to instantiate two or three objects just to do 
something trivial.  Case in point: In Open Office record a macro to 
change "lastname, firstname" into "firstname lastname" then look at the 
generated code - it's ridiculous for what's being done.