[NTLUG:Discuss] Re: Do LUGs Still Matter

[Spicerun]

Dennis,

Fair warning....just some of my views with NTLUG.  If you had read the 
slashdot.org article, you would have seen my not too flattering post 
although I didn't mention any specific LUGs in it.  I've always had 
issues with this LUG....anyhow, you may wish to skip the rest of this 
E-mail.

If you're still reading, here are some of my quick views:  All I can say 
is I hope you have better luck than I did in getting NTLUG to step 
forward in doing something to promote Linux in the world-at-large.  Back 
in the day, I was trying to volunteer and get this club involved in the 
Linux Certification movement (it was a golden opportunity at the time, 
and probably could still be)....the response I saw was to invite other 
people who run a Linux certification effort at a high cost to present to 
NTLUG, rather than to have a free program available to the membership.  
I've seen similiar on other projects, and my impression is that this 
club has become a clone of the NTPC Users group (MS products mainly) 
where their main focus is to see what new thing they can BUY for their 
machine rather than to use their machines to full advantage...much less, 
be educated on how to even use their machines.  NTLUG is a little 
better, but not by much in my book.

Also, I've noticed over the years, that unless you run the Novell 
distribution of Linux (formerly SUSE), this club does not support you 
very well....and if you run a source distribution (Gentoo) like I am, 
nobody in this club gives a damn about anything to be contributed from 
that.  So, that is why I sit here mainly monitoring the NTLUG maillist, 
but I don't go to meetings anymore as, quite frankly, I find NTLUG to be 
a lost cause.  I only monitor the NTLUG maillist in hopes of seeing some 
positive changes someday (I know I tried to help a while ago, and all I 
accomplished was to be 'outted' from the group, so I know never to do 
that again).

And, no, I don't sit on my laurels either.  I am the founder of a good 
group chat channel group called #linuxfriends on OFTC that has some 
really good people running debian to gentoo & beyond, that do help each 
other a lot.  We have a project on Sourceforge.net that we hope to have 
finished & ready by 3rd quarter of 2006.  In addition, I have a few 
other projects on Sourceforge.net as well that I hope to have finished 
within the next year or 2....so, as you can see, I am not just sitting 
in the easy chair griping about no action on the Linux front.

At any rate, I just thought I'd jot this little note to you....I'm not 
entirely sure why other than to just let someone know why I have the 
stance on NTLUG that I do....so there it is.

Have a great 2006,
--Spicerun


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Dennis Rice wrote:

> We have had an offer by Novell to work and support an activity, as 
> initially worked up by Chris Cox, but no one has been willing to step 
> up and put forth the extra effort.  I would love to, but I know at the 
> moment I do not have the time to devote to the effort, and hence, I 
> would perform a poor job. 
> I want to commend Chris for being willing to keep going in providing 
> leadership, even if he thinks want to be replaced (not true, just 
> needs another day or two in the week devoted to our group ;-). 
> So I put forth the question to the group - what do we want to do and 
> who is willing to lead?  The Novell effort is superb, just needs an 
> active leader.  Would someone please step forward.  All groups are 
> centered around the leaders, and we have some excellent leaders now, 
> but we do need more ideas and people to diversify the workload.
>
> Who is willing to step up?
>
Dennis
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