[NTLUG:Discuss] Just want to say

[Robert Pearson]

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Leroy Tennison
<leroy_tennison at prodigy.net> wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
>> Russell Lemburg wrote:
>>> Thanks for all the support!  You guys are amazing.  There isn't a group out
>>> there I've found that makes me happy to be a Linux user as much as this one
>>> does.
>>>
>>> Just bought my first "ONLY LINUX" box ever.  No dual booting for me, unless
>>> it's multiple Distros.  Debian, Red Hat or SuSE?  I'm leaning towards
>>> Debian.  Got started on Ubuntu ....
>>>
>>> Ah, and I was the guy at the meetings about 5 years ago with the Windows
>>> box.  I'm sure Chris remembers.
>>
>> Sorry... don't remember.  Not because you're not memorable, just
>> that you're story isn't unusual.  Linux and Linux distributions
>> exist BECAUSE of Windows... truth be told (and no, I'm not talking
>> about patents).
>>
>> Glad you've made the switch... it's easier than most believe.
>>
>> Ubuntu is an excellent distribution.... though I do like KDE
>> over Ubuntu's default Gnome.  But both are worthy heavy duty
>> desktops.
>>
>> Thanks for compliments!! (speaking for the whole of NTLUG.. I hope)
>>
>>
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> Need to raise a cautionary note about Ubuntu.  It may be great for the
> average machine but, if you have a couple of network cards or a couple
> of hard drives things can get very interesting fast.  If anyone is
> interested I can provide a longer post.  I ended up on SuSE (thanks to
> Chris' explanation of the current ATA/IDE fiasco) having passed through
> the Ubuntu world.  If you have "an average machine" (whatever that
> means, I realize it's vague) then certainly Ubuntu's package
> availability is hard to beat (as long as you aren't an Open Source purist).
>
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Are you speaking about servers or desktops or both?
I use desktops exclusively and I have had problems with all popular
distros with regard to devices.
Are servers any better?
End of my query.

My two cents.
The problem seems to be the PC BIOS although motherboard and BIOS
providers seem to be on the same page now more than they have been in
the past.
I just finished fighting a big device problem and had to become more
of a udev "expert" than I ever wanted to be.
The problems are increasing and udev is better than the old way. I
wasn't an expert on whatever that was so my only comment is that there
did not appear to be any agreement between what the BIOS reports and
what BIOS scans by applications report nor any good way to manage any
differences?
All the buses are in transition. The "modern" motherboards only have
SATA, and varying degrees of PCI, PCI-X, PCIe,PCI???, so the ATA/IDE
problems might just disappear in "modern" motherboards. That just
leaves USB, FireWire and maybe eSATA?
There is no growth without effort so this is a good thing.
YMMV

[side note]
I can buy a "smart" oven which is a combination convection, microwave
and grill (one or both sides) that reads the product package UPC bar
code, checks to see if you took it out of the package, and then cooks
it to your taste. And it costs less than a Porsche or BMW. The less
expensive ones will cook it in the package with varying degrees of
success.
Maybe PC makers should take a look at this type of product for ideas?
The Storage guys fell down laughing at this suggestion.
[IO: Info-Only]
Microwave ovens have been around since 1945-1960 but the market
exploded from 1970-1975.
PCs have been around, as we know them, since 1981. I guess PCs are
still in the 1945-1975 microwave era?