[NTLUG:Discuss] original file creation date?

[Eric Schnoebelen]

Kenneth Loafman writes:
- Eric Schnoebelen wrote:
- > Which programs?  I'd like to take a look at their source, and
- > see what they are doing.
- 
- gnome-volume-manager-gthumb

Thanks, I'll take a look..

- > - On another note, I think the semantics of cp have changed in the
- > - last few years, and not to the better.  It used to be that cp as
- > - root would automatically imply --preserve.  Now it does not.
- > - Not a good change.
- > 
- > ``--preserve'' is a GNU-ism, and didn't exist in the historic
- > edition of cp(1). (even -r/-p didn't exist until cp(1) was over 15
- > years old.)
- 
- We had -p on Convex UNIX back in 1985 and the root user assumed -p.
- Going back before that, I just don't remember.  Worked on too many
- different systems before that.

Now you're going to make me pull out my ConvexOS source tapes,
and see.. :D  I don't remember ``-r'' from when I was working on
the utilities circa 1990, but ``-p'' might have been there. (I
don't think I ever used it, as it didn't preserve hardlinks and
the like.. I learned to use things like tar pipes or cpio to
make sure permissions got preserved..)

(oh, and UNIX was 15 yrs old in 1985.. :D)

- > I would suspect the developers of the GNU version changed the
- > semantics to better follow the POSIX.2 standards at some point.
- > (gack, the number of options cp(1) has grown as part of GNU's
- > coreutils!)
- 
- Almost as bad as 'ls', but not quite...

Oh, gawd, what the gnu folks have done to ls(1).  BSD ls(1) was
bad enough.. :D

(and now I know why your name sounds familiar.. :D )
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