[NTLUG:Discuss] Eclipse - running out of RAM?

[MadHat Unspecific]

Brian Koontz wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:01:21AM -0500, MadHat Unspecific wrote:
>> Several companies, mentioned in my other email, are integrating their 
>> sdk into eclipse, so to use their tools, you use eclipse.  I am sure you 
>> can develop without eclipse, but it is a pain.
> 
> I've developed many applications in Java without the use of an IDE.  I
> don't understand what "tools" are required for Java compilation that
> can only accessed from Eclipse.
> 
> The idea that an application can *only* be built using Eclipse is just
> a few semantic steps away from saying that Eclipse is a dependency.
> In fact, to me, that's exactly what it is.
> 
> <rant>
> Whatever...it's just yet another sign that technology continues to be
> dumbed down to accommodate computer operators (rather than computer
> programmers).  I've often said that Visual Basic seemed to grant a
> license to anyone to call themselves a "programmer."  I guess a tight
> integration of Eclipse with a Java application conveys the same sort
> of license to call oneself "a Java programmer."
> </rant>

I have been programming for over 20 years now.  IDEs are tools.  Many 
companies integrate their SDK into IDEs to make development using their 
tools or technologies easier, but it does not make a programmer.  Java 
is a horrible language as far as how easy it is for people to screw up. 
  An IDE can help, plus and IDE can make it easier to debug.  An IDE is 
a tool.  Can you program without one? Sure.  Can you debug without one? 
  Yes.  Does an IDE decrease the development time and increase the 
chances of catching mistakes?  In most instances yes.  Personally I have 
to program in ~6 different languages.  On all but 2, I use IDEs because 
it helps.  IDEs don't make people think they are programmers.  IDEs 
aren't ruining the perfect world of text editors and command line compilers.

Java sucks.  VB sucks.  All programming languages suck, but some suck 
less than others.  If I had to do VC.Net or VB.Net programming without 
an IDE I would kill someone. I don't like programming Java at all, but I 
do it because I have to.  I like NetBeans, it makes certain aspects of 
programming java GUIs more bearable.  I'm not a Java programmer, I am 
insane for trying to tame a suck-ass language on a suck-ass platform to 
meet stupid requirements I don't agree with.

yeah, no one cares...

-- 
MadHat (at) Unspecific.com
"The true man wants two things: danger and play.
  For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything."
                           - Friedrich Nietzsche