[NTLUG:Discuss] OT: Apache: Front Page Extensions??

[Alton Pouncey]

I seriously doubt FP is a tool by which they would try to defeat Linux, because FP
extensions get installed into Apache, which has little to nothing to do with Linux
(aside from the fact they are both O.S.).  Apache can be compiled on Linux, AIX,
HPUX, Solaris, SunOS, and even NT (since 1.3, I believe).  So, I would make a
counterpoint that O.S. projects are encroaching on the NT world since Apache can
run on NT now.

Also, FP extensions for Apache have existed since 1996, I believe - two years
before the Halloween documents.  Yes, FP extensions were a way to try to encroach
into Apache - but I saw that as a ploy to sell more versions of the Frontpage
client.  And, as Stephen Denny (I apologize if I misspelled your name) mentioned in
an earlier post, if users are clamoring for FP usability, I would just install an
NT box so I wouldn't have to worrry about all the crap that FP spews into my Apache
web server.

Alton Pouncey

sunflower1043 at juno.com wrote:

>         Hello to all --
>
>         This last week, with the idea that maybe the Judge was getting ready to
> rule in the Microsoft antitrust case, I was reading the Halloween papers
> ( this is their 1-year anniversary.)  Could Microsoft's "Front Page
> Extensions", or their "Active Server Extensions", be part of their effort
> which they described in their Halloween paper (
> http://www.opensource.org/halloween/ ).  In Microsoft's words, following
> is an excerpt:
>
> .....
> "Beating Linux"
>
>                "In addition to the attacking the general weaknesses of
> OSS projects (e.g. Integrative / Architectural costs), some specific
> attacks on Linux are:"
>
> .....
>
> "Fold extended functionality into commodity protocols / services and
> create new protocols"
>
> "Linux's homebase is currently commodity network and server
> infrastructure. By folding extended functionality (e.g. Storage+ in file
> systems, DAV/POD for networking) into today's commodity services, we
> raise the bar & change the rules of the game..."
>
> (end of Microsoft quote)
>
> I am not knowledgeable about any technical server stuff, neither
> Microsoft, Apache nor otherwise, so perhaps I am off-base about the
> preceding.  -- Doug Darnold
> *************************************************
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> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:39:58 -0600 Alton Pouncey <arpounce at earthlink.net>
> writes:
> > They are MS "extension" that you install into your web server in
> > order for
> > FrontPage "bots" to work.  IMO they make users lazy in that they
> > don't have to
> > learn to write cgi's or even learn how to FTP.
> >
> > I have attempted on numerous occasions to install MS FP extensions
> > on Apache
> > (actually succeeded once) but after reading a bunch of security
> > advisories re:
> > FP extensions, I immediately removed them.
> >
> > My advice is to research any and all advisories you can find re: FP
> > extensions
> > and make your decision based on security.  If that means losing some
> > users
> > because they want FP functionality but installing FP would
> > compromise security,
> > so be it.  As a former webmaster for an ISP, I absolutely refused to
> > compromise
> > server security for user convenience.  Thankfully, our president was
> > a sys.
> > admin. by trade and agreed with me and backed me up.
> >
> > I wish you well in your decision/quest,
> > Alton Pouncey
> >
> > P.S. Here is the URL to a user written howto for installing FP
> > (among other
> > things) on an Apache web server:
> > http://www.faure.de/Apache+SSL+PHP+fp-howto-1p.html
> >
> > Brian Silvers wrote:
> >
> > > hey everyone...
> > > I have this user who is asking me if our web server supports Front
> > Page
> > > extensions. What the hell are front page extensions? Anyways I am
> > running
> > > Apache 1.3.9 on both a WinNT and Linux boxes and was wondering how
> > hard this
> > > is to do to get apache to recognize whatever these front page
> > extensions
> > > are.  The user sent me 4 links that are either very vague or
> > outdated or
> > > have nothing to do with the OS's I am running.. Should I even
> > bother doing
> > > this???
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brian Silvers                    Internet Design Specialists in:
> > > X-Net Web Systems       Cold Fusion, Databases,CGIs,
> > > http://www.x-net.com      Graphics, Dynamic content, and more!
> > > kungfusion at x-net.com
> > >
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