[NTLUG:Discuss] Internet Explorer?

[Ted B Dodd]

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>>> Let's not get into the browser conversation. Netscape 
>>> is far far far superior.  

>> They both suck.
>> 
>> This is the same argument as Linux Vs BSD Vs Windows or
>> emacs Vs vi or Photoshop Vs Gimp or etc...  It is a
>> religious war and not worth wasting bandwidth and time 
>> over.  Each person is entitled to their own opinions.  
>> If you wish to discuss this, please take it off list.

> It may be a religious war when making purely emotional
> statements, but I am interested in discussing factual
> information regarding the capabilities of two competing (sort
> of) software applications.  Maybe Shipman could persuade me
> to start using Netscape by informing me of some
> feature/capability that I am unaware of.  Let's not turn this
> into 'playground fighting,' or a vehicle for personal
> attacks.  Let's keep it pro. 

Forget that!  Flame ahead on!  I love this drivel.  

For one thing, I would like IE for Linux and SCO Unix.  My 
experiences have been more favorable with IE than NS.  That may 
be anecdotal, but it's my anecdote!  

Second, this conversation reminds me of the 12 YOA computer 
expert wannabees back in the BBS days of the 70s and 80s who 
would place and opinion and then ask that people shut up.  Back 
then, the big quote was "Enuf Said" which was synonymouse with 
"I have an opinion and your's sucks".

> I feel like this relates somewhat to the discussion of Linux
> vs Windows (an argument that has heated advocates on both
> sides).  If your only argument is 'Linux is better because
> Windows sux' (or Netscape is better because IE sux) you'll
> get nowhere in trying to proliferate the use of Linux.  If
> you're not open to hearing someone's point of view, how can
> you expect them to hear your point of view? 

This flys in the face of those same wannabees.  I am a Unix 
guy, born and bred, but there are certain aspects to Windows 
that make it an excellent platform for the "average" user.  

Up front, for those of you who state that users are dumb or 
have been dumbed down by MS, you need to grow up.  This is a 
real world with real needs.  No one wants their accounting 
clerk to clutter their mind with computer knowledge.  They want 
them to fill their minds with accouting knowledge.

Also, I have a simple test for any Linux Gottabee.  I want my 
Linux box to have dialup access to my earthlink account.  On my 
Windows box (pick one 95, 98, ME, NT, 2K), all I need is stick 
a CD in the drive and the rest is virutally automatic.  If you 
have a similar CD that will work like that on Linux, send me a 
copy and I will shut up about this matter.  Setting up a simple 
PPP to something like Earthlink or any normal ISP is a PITA for 
Unix.  If you don't understand what I am talking about, you 
simply don't get it.

This has nothing to do with MS v Linux.  It has to do with User 
Friendly and User Surley.  Non-techie users was user friendly 
and they don't care about configurability.  They just want to 
do their accounting.

> Being passionate and showing emotion is good to a degree,
> but let's remember that corporate America is (usually)
> persuaded by the bottom line (Linux is cheaper, more stable,
> standards based, capable of integrating into heterogeneous
> environments), rather than an emotional statement (Windows
> sux!). 

Aha!  Sanity reigns.  Fact based statements.  Refreshing, but 
few and far between.

> *stepping off soapbox*

*stepping from my high-horse*

> Sorry if I've wasted list resources with this statement, but
> I want to see Linux flourish.  I believe the only way to do
> is by proving that Linux is better not trashing Windows. 

You have wasted nothing.  Your insight is a refreshing breeze 
to an otherwise stale and myopic list.  I get nauseated reading 
anti-M$ crapola.  I prefer facts from people who understand all 
aspects of computing, not just the narrow frame of reference 
from their narrow little minds.

Have a Nice day.



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Ted B
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