[NTLUG:Discuss] OT: Fried

[Paul Drew]

I agree completely, especially with the last part. I came from a very 
production geared environment to our new "Internet" division, and within a 
year I was begging to come back. All day Quake, and lazy premadonna's made 
me insane. They soaked up and wasted tons and tons of money before the 
division was closed as a complete failure. From talking with friends this 
same scenario played out all over the U.S. with everyone jumping into the 
game spending a fortune in anticipation for growth that never occured. Way 
too many people were way to overpaid. Now those that stuck with it, have the 
skills, and put in the work as you said are left to pay the price.

I do see hope on the horizon with more money being spent here now on 
equipment refreshes, and finally starting to implement new enterprise level 
solutions and not bandaids. I hope that others are experiencing the same 
thing, and that the industry has learned from the past.

Paul Drew


>From: Greg Edwards <greg at nas-inet.com>
>Reply-To: NTLUG Discussion List <discuss at ntlug.org>
>To: NTLUG Discussion List <discuss at ntlug.org>
>Subject: Re: [NTLUG:Discuss] OT: Fried
>Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:03:55 -0600
>
>clayramsey1 at comcast.net wrote:
>>I agree with much of what you say, BUT....
>>
>>there is very little that anyone in DC can REALLY do to stop it.
>>
>>collectively, we are too expensive.  I saw this from the other side at my 
>>last job (IT support for headhunters).....
>>
>>Firms were paying BIG bucks in many cases for relatively lightly qualified 
>>staff - and they DO NOT, or should I say, WILL NOT do that again.  
>>Remember the "paper MCSE"?  The "paper CCNA"?
>>
>>As I see it, the logic of the corp. staffing people will be this:
>>
>>"If we are gonna have "sorta" qualed staff, we're gonna pay less for 'em.
>>
>>The 90s are gone.... I just hope and pray for the next big US innovation 
>>to come along.
>>
>>If I may make a ssuggestion - there are a SHITLOAD of small firms still 
>>running 3.1, 95, and 98, in need of serious IT help.  Hanging out your 
>>shingle (directed at noone in particular) might be a good idea.
>>
>>
>
>I'm not trying to belittle anybody, but I'm not talking about those people. 
>  Those that just got started because it was a hot job market or those that 
>left school to cash in on the 90's dot com frenzy.  I fully agree that the 
>price for code bangers got way out of touch with reality.
>
>What people are not getting is that the hard core high tech pros that built 
>the infrastructures are out in the cold.  System Designers, Software 
>Engineers, Lead Developers, and others.  People that designed the 
>communication protocols that made the internet possible, designed and built 
>the digital switches so that SBC can offer DSL, and the software that makes 
>cell phones work.  People that applied the theories and did the hard work 
>of maturing *nix and RTOSes that are the basis of these switches are now 
>serving others for $3.00/hr.  The RDBMS engine designers, graphics 
>rendering tool designers, etc.  We've become users of technology, not 
>designers and builders of technology.
>
>Dallas is a good example.  The dot com frenzy had very little to do with 
>the growth in Dallas.  What made the Telecomm Cooridoor go was the 
>innovation from the designers and developers through R&D in switching and 
>high speed transmission protocols.  Low interest rates for R&D money and an 
>experienced workforce made it possible.  The workforce that made it happen 
>has been dumped for cheaper labor and the future of interest rates is 
>uncertain because of the deficit.  What happens in DC does matter to the 
>planners in the executive suites.
>
>Yes the dot com frenzy did add to the growth, but it would have happened 
>even without the dot coms.  The Silicon Valley, Pacific Northwest, Austin 
>(here in Texas), The Golden Triangle, Los Angeles, and Eastern Seaboard 
>were where the dot com dollars got spent, not here.
>
>--
>Greg Edwards
>New Age Software, Inc. - http://www.nas-inet.com
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