[NTLUG:Discuss] OT: Java question

[Stephen Davidson]

Hi Paul.

Ummm, I don't always use Sun Tech.  Especially for deployments.  For that, I tend to use third-party, with IBM, BEA, and Blackdown being favorites 
depending on what the problem I am trying to solve is.

And one of the pesky things about prepping for deployment is the testing involved in determining which manufacturer and platform provide the best 
solution.

As for Java being the best solution ever?  I agree with you in probably not.  James Gosling has made a few statements supporting your position, and 
HE invented the thing.  As for the best tool compared to current tools?  In many cases, yes.  Many people are looking for or trying to make 
something better than Java.  Eventually they will succeed.  At which point Java may well be relegated (with cheers from many parties, and regrets by 
quite a few) to the Junk Heap of History.  But that day has not yet arrived.  So, I am off to do the best I can with the tools currently available.

Regards,
Steve

Paul Ingendorf wrote:
> Why not?
> 
> // begin iHate.java
> It has become kludgy, bloated, un-efficient, and Sun's lack of support makes
> it not as cross platform as they would have you believe.  I think they
> should scrap the shit out of it and rework it from the ground up with a more
> logical layout and more than some sun engineer's stream of consciousness
> layout for packages.
> 
> Sorry I've spent the past 5 years working with java on and off and with all
> the languages I have had the pleasure of working with java has to be the
> biggest pile of donkey doo I have ever run into.  I love the model but the
> implementation leaves a ton to be desired.  Sun seems to care more about
> getting that proverbial kitchen sink in there to care though.
> // end iHate.java
> 
> I wish they would scrap java as we know it now and come up with a logically
> implemented version that doesn't require them depreciating
> classes/methods/fields so fast it makes your head spin.
> 
> 

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