[NTLUG:Discuss] Re: software engineer? -- The "certification rat race"

[Rev. wRy]

On Sat, 2004-07-31 at 04:40, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
> [ I'm no longer on the digests, so these should be threading ]
> 
> Rev. wRy wrote:  
> > Thanx for the ignoring part wrt "I am more qualified than any of you."
> 
> Who said that?  I sure did _not_.

You are correct - you didn't say it.

I promise you, it's the way it came off.

> Ask _anyone_ who is also over on LEAP.
> I make _fun_ of myself and all these certs!

Then why list 4 lines worth in response?

T. Cameron can speak for himself, but I've found him to be much more use
on the pratical level - which was my thought on why this list exists -
than the political level.

> I think certifications are a "vendor product pushing" scheme!
> (with rare exceptions)

Agreed.

> In fact, I actually forgot a couple in my list.
> Just look at it all, it's ludicrous!

Then why attach it as a sig?

> > Yer tech weenie is large, put it back in your pants.
> 
> Sigh, I tried to describe what engineer was in another post.
> You can't seem to let it go.

No, the whole thread was a waste of time - if MH wasn't at DefCon it
would never have gotten this far.  It's completely off topic, a waste of
the typing/energy that has been put into it.

> > If this is what IEEE is,
> 
> Why would you base what the IEEE is based on my having an e-mail alias?

Think about it.

> > I don't care what they do, I want nothing to do with it.
> > I have a feeling more than one of us feels the same way.
> 
> Really?  Wow.  The IEEE does some great work.
> They take best practices and document them.
> So much so that 25% of all the world's technical documentation is from
> them.

Perhaps it's a messenger thing, not the message.

> So give me some damn credit, geez.

You know more than a shitload of people - don't lord it.

I think the 100 line posts showing just how much you know is overkill -
you don't contribute - you correct.  That's fine for those that do know,
but it's confusing for the newb that just wants a printer to work.  They
don't care about 20 years of diatribe.  They just want the printer to
work.  Give 'em time and then they'll be interested in the 20 years.

I fully expect to get kicked off the list for this post - that's okay. 
Really - share what you know in relation to the question asked - don't
politicize it.

Rev. wRy
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