[NTLUG:Discuss] Local Job availability

[Stephen Davidson]

Mark Hanna wrote:

>the 'large unnamed financial company in Westlake" where I just finished a contract in Sept was even hiring (0) newborns - barely out of school for fulltime Java programming projects.
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>>>>Robert Pearson <rdpears at gmail.com> 12/20/04 01:48PM >>>
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>Stephen Davidson wrote:
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>>...Even the (1) new people are
>>starting to find job, although with a lot more resistance than before
>>due to people being shy from the Dot.com burn. 
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>>...A little over a year ago I noticed
>>a surge in demand for (4) System Designers and Architects.  About 8 months
>>ago, people started hiring (3) Java Developers by the Teams.  About 2-3
>>months ago, all the (2) experienced Java Dudes I personally know had been
>>hired...
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>For those of us looking to re-invent ourselves in the Java space could
>you give a rough idea of experience and training for your definitions
>of---
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>(1) new people - 
>(2) experienced Java Dudes - 
>(3) Java Developers - 
>(4) System Designers and Architects - 
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>My definitions are---
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>(1) new people - Java + .NET cert + 6 mos-1 yr exp.
>(2) experienced Java Dudes - 3-5 yrs exp.
>(3) Java Developers - 5+ yrs exp.
>(4) System Designers and Architects - 7+ yrs with system internals exp.
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>Thanks,
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>Robert
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1) new people - Java or .NET cert + 0 - 1 yr exp, no additional experience.
2) Java Programmers - Java Programmer Cert, no Java Experience, but 5yrs 
or better with another OO language (especially Smalltalk)
   OR
  Java Programmer Cert + 1- 3 yrs exp.
3) Java Developer - Generally 3 - 5 years Java, Depending on experience 
and mentoring.
4) System Designers and Architects (Junior level!) - Needs to have been 
team lead on at least two previously successful projects.
5) Java Dude -
  (1)Informal Title assigned/granted by peers for unusual or extensive 
indepth knowledge of the language and/or field, can't be earned with 
experience.
  (2)Sometimes used as slang (including in the above case) to refer to 
anyone who successfully makes their living as a Java Programmer or above.

I will be crossposting a couple of Job listings from yesterday from 
JavaMug Jobs on NTLUG jobs, as some of them are looking for Linux 
background and/or Entry level Java (Cert only, other experience preferred).

Regards,
Steve

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Java/J2EE Developer/Integrator
Stephen Davidson and Associates, Inc.
Past Chair, Dallas/FortWorth J2EE Sig
214-724-7741